My question is, do Permanent Effects count in this category? Permanent Effects & Concentration: The book mentions that for every couple of simple effects or for every complex effect the mage has active, the difficulty of arete rolls increases by 1 due to the mage having to concentrate to some degree on the active effects. If so, should 1 Quintessence always be enough to do this or should the amount of Quintessence necessary scale with the effect (I assume the later if this is the case).ī. I've made the assumption that to create any sort of permanent effect, Quintessence must be spent so as to root the effect in reality. This also brings up some additional questions.Ī. Permanent Effects: How have others handled players attempting to make effects permanent? I recall reading that making truly permanent effects are exceptionally difficult tasks, however where the rule book describes effect duration, it mentions the possibility of allowing effects to be permanent if the mage scores double the amount of necessary successes on the effect. I do understand that when it comes to Mage, a lot is left to ST discretion, but I'd like to hear the thoughts of those with more experience in Mage regarding these subjects:ġ. So, I'm turning to the playground for thoughts on some questions I have. As I kick into running a long-term Mage (Revised) game, myself and my players are stumbling over a selection of magic rules.

I'm experienced at running Old World of Darkness (Masquerade for about three years, several sessions of Ascension). Greetings all! I've been lurking these forums for quite some time and haven't had much of a reason to post anything until now.

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